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	<title>Comments on: Op/Education #3: Invective for Social Change</title>
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		<title>By: Melia</title>
		<link>http://www.reschoolyourself.com/opeducation-3-invective-for-social-change#comment-3284</link>
		<dc:creator>Melia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katie, good point about shows like Olbermann's being designed to get ratings rather than make any kind of change. And Darren, O'Reilly and Hannity themselves definitely overshadow the actual issues with their one-sided egotism. It's unfortunate that people like me often end up tuning out the issues themselves along with the yelling and sensationalizing. I wish that the right-wing media in particular would "Stop hurting America," as Jon Stewart put it. 

Stewart's approach is brilliant for a lot of reasons. He claims to be just a fake news show on cable, but he's impressively knowledgeable and interviews weighty politicians and authors on the show. He attracts viewers with satire, not ranting, which influences people more than even they realize. For example, analysts say that &lt;a href="http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-biden/727421/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Tina Fey's spot-on impression of Sarah Palin&lt;/a&gt;, for example, influenced people's votes in the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katie, good point about shows like Olbermann&#8217;s being designed to get ratings rather than make any kind of change. And Darren, O&#8217;Reilly and Hannity themselves definitely overshadow the actual issues with their one-sided egotism. It&#8217;s unfortunate that people like me often end up tuning out the issues themselves along with the yelling and sensationalizing. I wish that the right-wing media in particular would &#8220;Stop hurting America,&#8221; as Jon Stewart put it. </p>
<p>Stewart&#8217;s approach is brilliant for a lot of reasons. He claims to be just a fake news show on cable, but he&#8217;s impressively knowledgeable and interviews weighty politicians and authors on the show. He attracts viewers with satire, not ranting, which influences people more than even they realize. For example, analysts say that <a href="http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-biden/727421/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tina Fey&#8217;s spot-on impression of Sarah Palin</a>, for example, influenced people&#8217;s votes in the election.</p>
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		<title>By: Democratic Education Blog &#187; How to Talk to People about Democratic Education</title>
		<link>http://www.reschoolyourself.com/opeducation-3-invective-for-social-change#comment-3192</link>
		<dc:creator>Democratic Education Blog &#187; How to Talk to People about Democratic Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] he makes reflect commonly-held assumptions about what is &#8220;good&#8221; education.  As Melia Dicker has written recently, we do our cause a huge disservice by responding with anger or dismissiveness rather than listening [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] he makes reflect commonly-held assumptions about what is &#8220;good&#8221; education.  As Melia Dicker has written recently, we do our cause a huge disservice by responding with anger or dismissiveness rather than listening [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://www.reschoolyourself.com/opeducation-3-invective-for-social-change#comment-3140</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that as much as possible egos need to be left out of ideas and debate. Bill O'Reilly &#38; Sean Hannity are both egos first and foremost, and once you get past the yelling, their ideas hold little substance. It's easy to present a side when you're on your own show: there are graphics splashing your name across the screen; producers &#38; writers have created an environment that delivers the hosts as the protagonists. 

While I happen to agree with more of the words that Keith Olbermann says, ultimately I am too distracted by the ego. If Denis Rancourt is so busy tricking people into taking his class and flagrantly insulting his university and bosses, am I noticing his ideas or him more prominently?

The fact is, there are people out there who are going to disagree with "us" no matter what. Republican lawmakers are proving that by opposing Obama's stimulus package as a kneejerk reaction. However, I think there are more people out there who have been nurtured to not understand why certain ideas are better. For those of us who think we're right (or left!) about those ideas, we have to take it upon ourselves to do a better job of convincing them. I support there being a government-sponsored health care option. If someone doesn't support that, let's learn about their objections and modify our proposals or dismantle the objections one-by-one. If the idea's strong enough, it can survive that scrutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that as much as possible egos need to be left out of ideas and debate. Bill O&#8217;Reilly &amp; Sean Hannity are both egos first and foremost, and once you get past the yelling, their ideas hold little substance. It&#8217;s easy to present a side when you&#8217;re on your own show: there are graphics splashing your name across the screen; producers &amp; writers have created an environment that delivers the hosts as the protagonists. </p>
<p>While I happen to agree with more of the words that Keith Olbermann says, ultimately I am too distracted by the ego. If Denis Rancourt is so busy tricking people into taking his class and flagrantly insulting his university and bosses, am I noticing his ideas or him more prominently?</p>
<p>The fact is, there are people out there who are going to disagree with &#8220;us&#8221; no matter what. Republican lawmakers are proving that by opposing Obama&#8217;s stimulus package as a kneejerk reaction. However, I think there are more people out there who have been nurtured to not understand why certain ideas are better. For those of us who think we&#8217;re right (or left!) about those ideas, we have to take it upon ourselves to do a better job of convincing them. I support there being a government-sponsored health care option. If someone doesn&#8217;t support that, let&#8217;s learn about their objections and modify our proposals or dismantle the objections one-by-one. If the idea&#8217;s strong enough, it can survive that scrutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as Keith Olbermann goes, not only would I not consider his show a news source, I also wouldn't consider it a vehicle for social change. It's not because it's an ineffective vehicle; it's because that's not what it was designed to do. 

The show holds the same time slot as Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" for a reason. It is MSNBC's attempt to produce a political talk show with a liberal angle. "The O'Reilly Factor" gets consistently high ratings, and MSNBC is attempting to cash in on their model from an opposing viewpoint. The shows are designed to bring in two types of viewers: those who already agree with the standpoints being presented and those who adamantly disagree. It is the nature of these shows to be one-sided, extremist and abrasive. That's what sells to the target audiences.

I'm not sure if Olbermann honestly believes everything he says (just like I can't say whether Bill O'Reilly believes everything he says). In a way, it doesn't matter; These shows are there solely to drive ratings, and they work. Occasionally, Olbermann delivers a talk that really touches my heart (the Prop 8 one comes to mind), but I feel weird about agreeing with it, knowing that I'm buying into this TV gimmick that I'm not comfortable with, no matter what side it's coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Keith Olbermann goes, not only would I not consider his show a news source, I also wouldn&#8217;t consider it a vehicle for social change. It&#8217;s not because it&#8217;s an ineffective vehicle; it&#8217;s because that&#8217;s not what it was designed to do. </p>
<p>The show holds the same time slot as Fox News&#8217; &#8220;The O&#8217;Reilly Factor&#8221; for a reason. It is MSNBC&#8217;s attempt to produce a political talk show with a liberal angle. &#8220;The O&#8217;Reilly Factor&#8221; gets consistently high ratings, and MSNBC is attempting to cash in on their model from an opposing viewpoint. The shows are designed to bring in two types of viewers: those who already agree with the standpoints being presented and those who adamantly disagree. It is the nature of these shows to be one-sided, extremist and abrasive. That&#8217;s what sells to the target audiences.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if Olbermann honestly believes everything he says (just like I can&#8217;t say whether Bill O&#8217;Reilly believes everything he says). In a way, it doesn&#8217;t matter; These shows are there solely to drive ratings, and they work. Occasionally, Olbermann delivers a talk that really touches my heart (the Prop 8 one comes to mind), but I feel weird about agreeing with it, knowing that I&#8217;m buying into this TV gimmick that I&#8217;m not comfortable with, no matter what side it&#8217;s coming from.</p>
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		<title>By: Melia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad that I found words to describe why I can't watch the fast-paced talking heads shows where people yell over the top of each other. Angry exchanges simply don't bring about any results besides ratings. Even in roundtable political talk shows like George Stephanopoulos, there's usually so much ego involved that people really listen to each other. They're not open to having their minds changed. If they were, it would seem weak. Authentic discussion just doesn't make good TV.

It's unfortunate that lobbying is one of the best ways to make policy change on a large scale these days. It's a game that a lot of small businesses and nonprofits can't afford. I'm glad that community organizing is also making serious national change. My friend Alicia is part of the &lt;a href="http://www.piconetwork.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;PICO network&lt;/a&gt; that has gotten amazing results, like getting government health care coverage for millions of uninsured kids around the country. 

The nonprofit that Alicia leads, &lt;a href="http://www.sacact.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;ACT&lt;/a&gt;, gets local people -- often immigrants, and others not usually involved in politics -- to come together around specific requests from lawmakers. They don't just protest against the current system. They've created a realistic alternative and have a plan to make it happen. That's much more productive than ranting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that I found words to describe why I can&#8217;t watch the fast-paced talking heads shows where people yell over the top of each other. Angry exchanges simply don&#8217;t bring about any results besides ratings. Even in roundtable political talk shows like George Stephanopoulos, there&#8217;s usually so much ego involved that people really listen to each other. They&#8217;re not open to having their minds changed. If they were, it would seem weak. Authentic discussion just doesn&#8217;t make good TV.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that lobbying is one of the best ways to make policy change on a large scale these days. It&#8217;s a game that a lot of small businesses and nonprofits can&#8217;t afford. I&#8217;m glad that community organizing is also making serious national change. My friend Alicia is part of the <a href="http://www.piconetwork.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">PICO network</a> that has gotten amazing results, like getting government health care coverage for millions of uninsured kids around the country. </p>
<p>The nonprofit that Alicia leads, <a href="http://www.sacact.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ACT</a>, gets local people &#8212; often immigrants, and others not usually involved in politics &#8212; to come together around specific requests from lawmakers. They don&#8217;t just protest against the current system. They&#8217;ve created a realistic alternative and have a plan to make it happen. That&#8217;s much more productive than ranting.</p>
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		<title>By: AmandoB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmandoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here here! I can't stand listening to Olbermann's rants anymore. I may agree, but it's not constructive. After 9/11 (you were dead on here) he was saying what needed to be said once every couple of months, now it's every other day. Preaching to the choir, nothing more. Ratings be damned, don't give me your opinion, give me the news. I can't even watch the news anymore without wondering if it's biased in some way.

The non-violent approach is commendable, but is not the same as quiet activism, MLK was another good example; yet, today those fighting the most effective battles seem to be lobbyists, paid to duke it out for the rights of anything, because they're the least upsetting voice to hear from. That's sad, and I'm hoping that changing as I type. Daniel Son, Hindu's and Buddhists know the will of those who stand before you can be broken only with one thing: patience. Still, the big detail activists, lobbyists, and the like who feel scorn, seem to have missed in their strategies is something Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism knew well, “You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.” Peace duder, I like the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here here! I can&#8217;t stand listening to Olbermann&#8217;s rants anymore. I may agree, but it&#8217;s not constructive. After 9/11 (you were dead on here) he was saying what needed to be said once every couple of months, now it&#8217;s every other day. Preaching to the choir, nothing more. Ratings be damned, don&#8217;t give me your opinion, give me the news. I can&#8217;t even watch the news anymore without wondering if it&#8217;s biased in some way.</p>
<p>The non-violent approach is commendable, but is not the same as quiet activism, MLK was another good example; yet, today those fighting the most effective battles seem to be lobbyists, paid to duke it out for the rights of anything, because they&#8217;re the least upsetting voice to hear from. That&#8217;s sad, and I&#8217;m hoping that changing as I type. Daniel Son, Hindu&#8217;s and Buddhists know the will of those who stand before you can be broken only with one thing: patience. Still, the big detail activists, lobbyists, and the like who feel scorn, seem to have missed in their strategies is something Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism knew well, “You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.” Peace duder, I like the post.</p>
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